It's immigrants, and what Bush is suggesting is not citizenship. It's a 3 year work permit for jobs that Americans are unwilling to do. For instance, in MN here most meatpacking places as well as canning factories have work forces that are mostly made up of immigrants, both those with green cards and those who are undocumented. Under Bush's plan if American citizens are available for any given job they get it over the immigrant. I don't have a problem with this. The IRS has for years provided undocumented workers with tax ID numbers so they can have taxes out of their wages. I'm for Bush's plan, it's better than the situation now.Originally posted by jimbo71:
Opening our borders & granting citizenship to illegal entrants, good idea? With many US jobs going outside US maybe US citizens will have to take jobs currently unattractive. I think many problems to result from GWB's immigration attitude. Agree or disagree?
Undocumented immigrants do not apply for free assistance for that very reason. I live in a city with a very large population of immigrants, both documented and not.My parish is 98% immigrants from Central and South America. I know many immigrants personally, including undocumented. How many immigrants are in your community? I suggest you get to know some. Be a friend. My grandmothers were immigrants, they were not made to feel very welcome here, one from Germany, one from Ireland. In their memory I try to make immigrants I meet feel welcome here. We are a nation built by immigrants and we will continue to be.Originally posted by jimbo71:
Why should it be so difficult to find non-registered immigrants? As soon as they apply for free assistance it should be recorded who and where they are.
Catfish, illegal aliens and undocumented immigrants are the same thing. Some people use the term illegal aliens, other use the term undocumented immigrants. They do pay taxes. The IRS does issue numbers to illegal aliens, as you prefer to call them. I know this for a fact, I am a member of a faith-based coalition called Isaiah that works on immigrants rights and other issues. Don't take my word for it however.Originally posted by Catfish:
Nurse Nell, you're saying that undocumented immigrants do pay taxes. Once again, we are not talking about immgrants, documented or undocumented. We are talking about illegal aliens.
This is true, and it isn't only illegals doing it. I've been aware of people with jobs who get paid under the table since the 1950's. Bar tenders, waitresses, pizza delivery people, house painters, and the list is endless. Lots of people do this, it even goes on in Tomahawk. It goes on everywhere. So why single out illegals?Originally posted by JFlosum:
Not all of them pay taxes. A very large, all cash, underground economy exists and is growing in leaps and bounds.
Catfish, do your homework. Undocumented immigrants, aka illegal aliens, are issued tax payer numbers by the IRS. I know a lot more undocumented workers than you do. Did you go read this link? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/14/politics/main549153.shtmlOriginally posted by Catfish:
Nurse Nell, you make me laugh. You say illegal aliens are the same as undocumented immigrants, and that they do pay taxes, and the IRS issues numbers to these illegal aliens. If that's the case how come Bush and the government don't know who or where they are? "You don't have to hide in the shadows any more, come out and sign up..." Does it sound like they're paying taxes. And thank you JFlosum for recognizing that a "very large, all cash, underground economy exists" and as you say is flourishing. The sheeple say they can't see the forest because the trees are in the way.
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