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Are we at war with Islam

Postby Old Scout » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:57 am

after reading this I found it rather interesting that things have not changed much in the past 200 years.


Is the U.S suffering the "Death by a Thousand Cuts"??

Thought this appropriate, as the recent Canadian and NYC incidents reveal -
Most Americans are unaware that over 200 years ago the United States had
declared war on Islam, and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!

At the height of the eighteenth century, Muslim pirates were the terror of
the Mediterranean. They attacked every ship in sight and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms.
Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking
letters home, begging their government and family members to pay whatever
their Mohammedan captors demanded.

These extortionists of the high seas represented the Islamic nations of
Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers – collectively referred to as the
Barbary Coast – and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new
American republic.
Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the
protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and
entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France.

However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets.
Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy.

Beginning in1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas
Jefferson became America’s Minister to France. That same year, the U.S.
Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the
footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States,
rather than engaging them in war.

In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dey of
Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and
simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to
any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a
coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states
into peace. An uninterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli’s ambassador to
Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and
enslaved American citizens and why Muslims held so much hostility towards
America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman
Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the laws of their prophet,
that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have
acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and
duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make
slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every
Muslim who should be slain in battle was sure to go to paradise."

Despite of this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim
nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders,
including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and
would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years,
the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe
passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments
in ransom and tribute amounted to over twenty percent of the United States
government annual revenues in 1800.

Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third
President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a
note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for
every year forthcoming. That changed everything.

Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with
his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the
American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco,
and Algiers immediately followed suit.

Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense,
but having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long
enough, decided that is was finally time to meet force with force.

He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the
Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never
forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all
vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to “cause to be done all
other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify”.

When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and
acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will
and the might to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to
Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up
again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to
the line “to the shores of Tripoli” in the Marine Hymn, They would forever
be known as “leathernecks” for the leather collars of their uniforms,
designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars
when boarding enemy ships.

Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their
prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply. America had a
tradition of religious tolerance, the fact that Jefferson, himself, had
co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist

Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based
on supremacy, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence
against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that
someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat
to the United States.

This should bother every American. That the Islams have brought about
women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and
public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from
serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged, piggy banks
and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because
they offend Islamist sensibilities. Ice cream has been discontinued at
certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks
similar to the Arabic script for Allah, public schools are pulling pork
from their menus, on and on in the news papers….

It’s death by a thousand cuts, or inch by inch, as some refer to it, and
most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day
across America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what
is really happening, and by not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our
own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a
politically correct knife and helping to further the Islamists’ agenda.

Sadly, it appears that today’s America would rather be politically correct than victorious.

Barbary Coast, Does that come from the word Barbarians ?

If you have any doubts, just google Thomas Jefferson & the Barbary wars.
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The new study has found that women who carry a little extra weight live longer than the men who mention it.

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Re: Are we at war with Islam

Postby Kerry Tobin » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:48 am

From what I saw the comment that Islam authorizes their actions is considered questionable and it's pretty important to note that Jefferson himself was a slave owner at the time so slavery of others (which is regularly mentioned in the bible) wasn't a moral issue for us either...

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Re: Are we at war with Islam

Postby Old Scout » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:24 pm

I don't think whether he had slaves or not was the point of the article.

After seeing what has been happening in France, I get the impression that like it or not Islam is at war with the rest of the world. Time for the rest of the world to wake up and smell the coffee.
The National Institutes of Health has just released the results of a $200 million research study completed under a grant to Johns Hopkins.
The new study has found that women who carry a little extra weight live longer than the men who mention it.


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