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Re: Walker

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:14 pm
by Old Scout
xyzl
Please give credit where credit is due. That quote should have been attributed to Tooten, I really hate to take the credit away from him because you get confused. :?

Re: Walker

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:33 pm
by XYZ1
I'm not confused.

That's the problem Kerry alluded to in his post. I'll go back and see if I can change it.

Re: Walker

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:33 pm
by Nimble
These elections are just battles in a war that will go on and on as long as we have such an autocratic egoistic governor. Walker's poor leadership methods cost the people of Wisconsin 18 million dollars in their effort to bring his shortcomings to his attention. He was too self-aborbed to notice.

Re: Walker

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:36 am
by neup99
Walker won. Again. By majority vote. What shortcoming keeps you from understanding this?

Re: Walker

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:06 am
by XYZ1
I think it's pretty clear what's going to happen. Walker will talk about bipartisanship (but nothing will happen) until after the November elections, when the GOP will regain control of the state senate due to redistricting. Then the assault on unions, public employees, etc. will continue. I see right to work legislation passing next year.

On that note, I found it amazing that 35% of union households voted for Walker. I guess they'll be getting what they voted for come next year.

Re: Walker

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:35 pm
by tooten
after the November elections, when the GOP will regain control of the state senate due to redistricting.

Walker won. Again. By majority vote. What shortcoming keeps you from understanding this?

On that note, I found it amazing that 35% of union households voted for Walker. I guess they'll be getting what they voted for come next year.

In Tomahawk the vote for Walker by union households was without a doubt closer to 50% and here's why;

They understand that debt run up in Madison gets paid by union households in Tomahawk. They understand that the average union wage earner works twelve months of the year to make a living. They understand that organized labor means exactly that and because a bunch of elitist liberal educators form unions to lobby politicians for increased political power and to line their own pockets with fat paychecks and excessive paid benefits has little to do with the average working person in Lincoln County. They understand that liberals profess to be the champions of the common man. But they don't trust the common man to make the right decisions. They understand that liberals as inveterate busybodies and nannyists, they presume to protect us from ourselves through government mandates and regulations on everything from what we eat, to how we travel, to where we live, to what we say; all written by liberal elitists who know what's best for us. They understand that being a union member doesn't mean that you've completely lost your mind. They understand that they can read, comprehend and look at issues independently in spite of union propaganda and/or right wing and left wing robot phone calls, TV and radio ads, posters, banners, signs, etc. They understand that they can and will make the right decision even if you liberals think it's wrong. So;
I guess they'll be getting what they voted for come next year.

Re: Walker

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:02 pm
by XYZ1
tooten - I'm only going to respond to one part of your rant. Besides that, I think you need to take Gov. Walker's advice and chill out and move forward. I feel like I'm reading a right wing hate group message board instead of a community message board.

My response:

"In Tomahawk the vote for Walker by union households was without a doubt closer to 50% and here's why;"

I doubt that, because Tomahawk was the only city in Marathon or Lincoln county to support Barrett.

"Tomahawk is a very strong union town. The two major employers in the town are the paper mill and the Harley-Davidson factory that are unionized," Johnson said. "That's not a surprise that Tomahawk would vote Democratic."

http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/articl ... |FRONTPAGE

Re: Walker

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:35 pm
by tooten
In Tomahawk the vote for Walker by union households was without a doubt closer to 50% and here's why

What, 48% is not close to 50%? Barrett won the City of Tomahawk by Two Percent (2%) and the other 48% of the people in Tomahawk and including the majority of the people in State of Wisconsin are part of a Right Wing Hate Group. You need help. Need proof read what you write.

Do we not hold Charles Manson responsible for the teachings he gave his followers who committed murder?

Re: Walker

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:50 pm
by XYZ1
Barrett won the City of Tomahawk by Two Percent (2%)

OK, so Walker got 48% of the total. Walker got a very high percentage of non-union votes. He did not get 48% of union households because if he had, then he would have won Tomahawk. We're arguing about the percentage of union households Walker won, not the total. Walker probably got around the state average of union households in WI, ~35%.

My other quote was merely an example of someone who said things to some people. Those people acted on the things he said. As a result, we hold him responsible for their crimes. I was merely trying to say that Walker is responsible for a lot of the turmoil and bad blood in this state as a result of what he said. I was not making a comparison.

And I do not believe most people who voted for Walker would agree with your previous rant. Both of my parents live in Tomahawk and they voted for Walker. And they would not agree with what you wrote and would take your rant to be the writings of a enraged person who needs to settle down.

Re: Walker

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:28 pm
by Nimble
Considering the Walker/Anti-Worker forces outspend the Democrats 7-1, Barrett still won 47% statewide, and the Recall flipped Senate control. Not much to brag about on Walker's side. Just think if we had a fair election system.

Re: Walker

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:29 pm
by neup99
Nimble wrote:Considering the Walker/Anti-Worker forces outspend the Democrats 7-1, Barrett still won 47% statewide, and the Recall flipped Senate control. Not much to brag about on Walker's side. Just think if we had a fair election system.


Barrett lost TWICE. The second time due to recall. Democrats have had more than enough opportunity to change things if that was what the MAJORITY of the state wanted. It is not. The DNC didn't even support Barrett until late in the game, and that was half-hearted at best. If they had had their crap together at the start of the recall efforts, they would have teamed up Barrett with Falk instead of running against each other and throwing in some guy that nobody knows for the Lt. Governor position. The elections system has been absolutely fair. If you can't get over the fact that Barrett lost, then that is your burden to bear, not an example of a failing system.

Out of all this hoopla, one position got changed. Yeah, the Democrats should have a parade to celebrate. :roll:

Re: Walker

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:32 pm
by neup99
XYZ1 wrote:My other quote was merely an example of someone who said things to some people. Those people acted on the things he said. As a result, we hold him responsible for their crimes. I was merely trying to say that Walker is responsible for a lot of the turmoil and bad blood in this state as a result of what he said. I was not making a comparison.


No, it wasn't a comparison. Well, unless you mean comparison in the way it is defined and the way that everyone in english speaking areas use it. Then, yes, you were making a comparison.

Re: Walker

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:00 pm
by Old Scout
Some people need to face the facts, the majority of the voters made their choice, Walker won, get over it and quit your whining ! :roll:

Re: Walker

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:10 pm
by neup99
XYZ1 wrote:tooten - I'm only going to respond to one part of your rant. Besides that, I think you need to take Gov. Walker's advice and chill out and move forward. I feel like I'm reading a right wing hate group message board instead of a community message board.


Actually, this is what a rant looks like:

http://www.620wtmj.com/blogs/charliesyk ... 12315.html

Re: Walker

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:15 pm
by Nimble
TV ads aired in the recall:Walker 24,087; Barrett 9,416. Who says money can't buy elections?

Re: Walker

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:29 pm
by neup99
Nimble wrote:TV ads aired in the recall:Walker 24,087; Barrett 9,416. Who says money can't buy elections?


Ross Perot, Donald Trump, John Edwards, Rudy Giuliani, Jon Huntsman, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Mitt Romney, Steve Forbes...

Re: Walker

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:56 am
by KEN
I agree with this letter from The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel '



Walker helps the few, at the cost of the many
Don't hold your breath waiting on Gov. Scott Walker to bring Wisconsin together. Why should he? He can make more money from his right-wing contributors by "divide and conquer" tactics. If one has enough people believing the same lies and voting on emotion rather than facts, why change? He has gutted the rights of the many to benefit the few.

How many good-paying new jobs have been created? Equal pay laws for women? Planned Parenthood will be cut under his leadership. Wisconsin is moving backward socially and economically. The state may balance its budget, but on the backs of those least able to handle it: the working class and the poor.

Good job to those who voted for their party, not for the good of Wisconsin. These are the same people who, in November, will again vote for the Bush policies (through Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney) that got us into this economic mess. They cannot, or refuse to, look at facts or are incapable of thinking beyond their party rhetoric, even if it means voting for policies that hurt them.

So don't hold your breath; it's going to be more of the same.

Re: Walker

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:44 am
by Kerry Tobin
Ross Perot, Donald Trump, John Edwards, Rudy Giuliani, Jon Huntsman, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Mitt Romney, Steve Forbes...


All of which were up against opponents who also had significant amounts of money, if not more...

Re: Walker

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:36 am
by neup99
Kerry Tobin wrote:
Ross Perot, Donald Trump, John Edwards, Rudy Giuliani, Jon Huntsman, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Mitt Romney, Steve Forbes...


All of which were up against opponents who also had significant amounts of money, if not more...


Check again.

Re: Walker

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:12 am
by Kerry Tobin
OK, let me clarify...

All of which were up against opponents who were well supported (i.e. well funded).

Ross Perot - ran as an independent against both the Republican and Democrat Parties (i.e. big money)
Trump - ran as a Republican in a field of others that were already established and had solid donations already
Edwards - Again, against national party support
etc.
etc.
etc.

Show me numbers that any of these candidates outspent all of their opponents 3-1...

Re: Walker

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:25 pm
by River Rat
Nimble wrote:TV ads aired in the recall: Barrett 9,416.


9,416 ads without a plan and without a message. Had it been 30,000 ads it wouldn't have mattered. Simply smeering your opponent by distorting facts is not enough. It makes one appear as a complainer, whiner, and weak.

Re: Walker

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:17 pm
by tooten
This message board is beginning to look like the liberal meltdown that took place on MSNBC last Tuesday night. It has to be about the money because we're right and the majority of Wisconsin voters are stupid or have been misguided by all of those annoying TV ads and pain in the butt robocalls. What a pile of dung.

Re: Walker

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:06 pm
by sagan
The recall results do cause one to doubt whether the right-wing really wants Wisconsin to go forward. But give Walker his day in the sun. Even Hitler was very popular for a few years. It will take years to undo the damage done socially, environmentally, and infrastructure wise once Walker is gone. Meanwhile k-12 schools will continue to close, tuition will continue to rise at the UW, and highways will crumble.

Re: Walker

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:03 pm
by tooten
Since you geniuses have now made comparisons to Governor Walker to the first and last persons on this list here's a few more names to help you in your quest to prove the majority of Wisconsin voters are stupid right-wing, illiterate, hillbilly rednecks hate group members that that had the gall to disagree with you elitist liberals.

    Adolf Hitler
    Joe Stalin
    Pol Pot
    Idi Amin
    Kim Jong-IL
    Osama bin Laden
    Mao Zedong
    Heinrich Himmieler
    Joseph Mengele
    Benito Mussolni
    Jim Jones
    Jeffery Dahmer
    Vlad III the Impaler
    Attila the Hun
    Ivan IV the Terible
    Hideki Tojo
    Charles Manson

Whoops, sure wouldn't offend anyone so we better take off the stalwarts of socialism, Joe Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong-IL, Mao Zedong, Jim Jones and thinking like a good progressive I sure wouldn't want to offend any one in the homosexual community with the name Jeffery Dahmer or the black community with Idi Amin or even the Muslim community with Osama bin Laden. That still leaves a few names to make your comparisons with.

Re: Walker

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:50 pm
by XYZ1
Yeah, that's about right on.