Kerry Tobin wrote:River Rat wrote:Source please. I suspect this is another one of those items presented with "only half of the truth" provided.
It's been widely reported recently but here's one source
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/opinio ... 2fe74.html
And since I suspect that won't be enough for you, how about some more information straight from the FBI? http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics
Just the NICS Section of the background checks (for firearms and explosives) issued a denial 88,479 times in 2012. That doesn't include the state users checks according to their information. From November 30, 1998 to March 31, 2012 there were 1,015,699 denials. Wisconsin had 469,375 firearms checks in 2012 or 2.3957% of the 19,592,303 checks. Based on that number, if Wisconsin followed the national average for denials there would have been 2,119 in Wisconsin last year (the FBI doesn't make a state by state count available on their website and I don't think submitting a Freedom of Information request to please someone on a message board is necessary). As of March 31, 2013 there were 10,313,822 active prohibited records in NICS, 5,312,456 of those are for Illegal aliens.
Kerry Tobin wrote: I'm extremely defensive of the right to keep and bear arms.
River Rat wrote:I beleive I pointed out before that these data do not include false positives. In other words, a denial does not mean that a person who should not own a gun tried to buy one.
The last time I looked into this over 90% of denials were in error and overturned, thus allowing the person to legaly purchace the gun. The gun grabbers love spewing out this misleading data, they sucked you right into it too.
In 2012, the NICS Section received a total of 26,357 VAF applications and appeal requests. Of those, a total of 1,618 received were submitted by persons denied by POC state agencies. In 2012, the NICS Section’s research resulted in the overturn of 4,020 deny transactions.
River Rat wrote:Kerry Tobin wrote: I'm extremely defensive of the right to keep and bear arms.
Maybe you are, but your consistant writings on this forum and the points you make, in my opinion, do not support such a statement. I really don't think I'm alone either. I don't understand how you can say such a thing while supporting every single idea that limits, and even in some cases prohibits, the ability of a law abiding person to aquire a firearm. It make no sense to me.
[quote="Tom B"]Tom B wrote:Maybe just maybe if 99% of these folks commiting these acts were where the be long this would be a mute subject.
Tom B wrote:Kerry Are you a member of the NRA? simple question yes or no
Maybe just maybe if 99% of these folks commiting these acts were where the be long this would be a mute subject.
Tom, I considered joining the NRA multiple times and each and every time I've decided against it. The NRA has gotten too extreme in my personal opinion and therefore I won't support their organization. Since it's estimated that somewhere between 43-55 million households in the US have a gun and the NRA only has 4.5 million members does that mean all those other households don't support gun ownership???
Tom B wrote:Why did homeland Security buy 1.6 billion rounds of AR-15 ammo? Are they expecting some kind of ground assault we don’t know about?
Why are the police departments across this country now having problems finding that same ammo for training? Who’s really driving the costs up and why?
WHY ARE YOU SELLING ALL OF YOUR AMMUNITION TO THE DHS?
The Department of Homeland Security contract makes up a very small percentage of our total ammunition output. This contract is not taking ammunition away from civilians. The current increase in demand is attributed to the civilian market. Our production volumes on government contracts have been stable since the mid-2000s.
ARE CERTAIN CONTRACTS TAKING AMMUNITION AWAY FROM CIVILIANS?
No. We remain committed to serving all channels of our business. The majority of our product serves the commercial market.
Since we can’t find your product you must be selling it all to the government.
Nope, less than 5% of our sales are to government entities.
First, ammunition manufacturers have been running at or near capacity for at least 10 years. Some of their production is still earmarked for military contracts, even though the U.S. military’s presence overseas is being reduced. But the fact of the matter is most ammo makers have barely recovered from the last ammo-buying panic. Nobody who makes ammo has had it sitting around getting dusty on their shelves. They were barely able to keep up with commercial demand before the country went into panic-buying mode.
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