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Changes in the electoral college vote

Postby Old Scout » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:20 am

What do you all think of the changes that some states are making in the way the electoral college votes are counted ?

I am thinking it might be an improvement as that way your vote might count more. In the case of Wis. the more populated southern part of the state and particularly Madison and Milwaukee pretty much control who Wis. votes go to. In the modified version each congressional district would have control over one vote depending on which party would win in that district. The final two votes would go to whoever won the state.

It is something that should be considered. After all the electoral college was brought about before there was the hi-tech communication we have now, so that the state representatives could come to Wash. to cast their votes as determined by the votes of the state at a later date. Actually this institution has almost outlived it's value and it may be time for it to go or at least be changed to reflect the current situation.
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We must end the (mostly) Madison & Milwaukee political monop

Postby Eunice » Sat May 04, 2013 6:32 pm

Yeah, enough of Madison (mostly) running everything. :roll: For once we need officials elected who are NOT favorites in Madison (like their BIGGEST darling who did hardly anything of note, in fact some questionable, before entering politics--but maybe that's what they like). :roll:
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Re: Changes in the electoral college vote

Postby Renee class of '80 » Wed May 08, 2013 2:48 pm

The whole country needs to do away with the electoral college vote. It is a non accurate way of counting votes. Absentee ballots, military votes, early voters are not even counted until weeks after the winner has already been declared, so why bother voting? So much voter fraud now because of lack of consistency in our polling places. In this day and age of electronics, there is no reason that each vote should be counted as they are casted electronically. It is my opinion everyone should be sent a ballot with your pin number, either vote at home or take it to your elections place of voting if you need help or a computer, and cast your vote on the elections website per your district. When that pin is used, you have voted. We do our taxes that way, we do medical billing that way, why not voting? This old system of paper ballots, hanging chads from punch cards, human error and coruption in polling places using the electoral college is obsolete.

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Re: Changes in the electoral college vote

Postby neup99 » Wed May 08, 2013 8:50 pm

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Re: Changes in the electoral college vote

Postby Floyd Alvin » Tue May 14, 2013 4:56 pm

"The whole country needs to do away with the electoral college vote."

Totally agree!

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Re: Changes in the electoral college vote

Postby Kerry Tobin » Wed May 15, 2013 12:16 pm

http://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html

Might be important to remember that without the electoral college the elections would basically be determined by just a few states (the ones with the largest population and who often lean much more liberal than the nation as a whole). If you want the votes of anyone not on the East or West coast to count you might want to reconsider your position. For example, Obama won California by 2.29 million votes. Wisconsin only cast something like 3.05 million votes TOTAL.

Without the electoral college system, states like the Dakotas, Wyoming, Alaska, etc. would basically have zero voice. Wyoming had less than 250,000 votes cast in the last election.

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Re: Changes in the electoral college vote

Postby Renee class of '80 » Wed May 15, 2013 12:30 pm

If the voting went as live cast, you do not call an election until Alaska and HI voted, or a clear landslide. Stupid they do this anyway. All the early voters would already be tabulated as with military, because they went early. You would have the names of the candidates and their numbers underneath as voted in, or update every 15 minutes. This would also do away with State representatives and how many each state gets. Go strictly by population.

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Don't get me wrong.

Postby Eunice » Tue May 21, 2013 10:53 am

Don't get me wrong. I wasn't saying to get rid of electoral college vote, I was saying that too many IN STATE elections are determined by Madison and Milwaukee, and those cities represent only a FRACTION of the state! :x The small cities, towns and rural communities are JUST as IMPORTANT to the state of WI, even more so, than the octopi public college system (remember Madison and UW Madison get a total of 3% of the state budget--seems small until you figure that one city and one college are getting that while the REST of the state gets the remaining 97%--if you really think about that, you realize how DISPROPORTIONATE that really IS) and the highest welfare receiving areas, which consist of Milwaukee, Dane County, Rock County and the "cities" of Janesville and Beloit.
If you cry "unfair!" at my statements. Yes, I understand Milwaukee is the biggest city in WI and Madison is the state capital, but even "small" Sheboygan county currently employs more people than either of those two areas and has much more manufacturing right now than either area, and much more working class than the other two areas (the "poor" in Madison really aren't working, they are homeless or on welfare or in government housing or in various government programs). Yet, if you travel around the state, it is evident that MOST of our state spending goes to the city of Madison and the university there, disproportionately higher than all the rest of the state colleges put together. Many parents, and students. now bypass the UW system for private schools like Marquette University, MSOE, Hezig, Lakeland, Concordia, schools in Minneapolis, and various tech schools. They are sometimes cheaper, and the education is much better and much more focused on most students' career goals, thus more financially efficient for the student. I came from Madison not too long ago and I can tell you that the student population there has not increased to justify its increased state funds or spending, nor continual requests for more state spending. The population is, in fact, beginning to decline due to excessively high tuition brought on by the hiding of funds and secret funneling of state and private funding into personal and pet university programs by those entrusted to dole out the funds properly, who obviously didn't. I wish we would see a student staged sit-in over this deliberate money mismanagement scandal.

That was long, but a good illustration of why Madison and corrupt Milwaukee politicians and parties should NOT RUN this whole state. The rest of the state needs to have MORE say in how things are run! :roll:
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Re: Changes in the electoral college vote

Postby Kerry Tobin » Tue May 21, 2013 11:12 am

Eunice,

You might want to post some sources since your information is way off. First, the City of Madison does not get the most money. Milwaukee does, by FAR. Madison received $7 million from the state compared to Milwaukee's $180 million. Cities such as Racine, Beloit and Kenosha receive more funding per capita than Madison does.

Also, most of Madison is not homeless, on welfare or in government housing. Dane County has the lowest unemployment rate in the state as of February. In fact, Dane County has only 8.5 percent of the state's population but contributes nearly 12 percent of the income and sales tax revenue collected by the state.

Sheboygan County's unemployment rate is 1.9% higher than Dane County's so there is no way that county employes more people than Dane County (with a much higher population) does.

As far as the UW population decreasing. Wrong again... Enrollment is up at UW-Madison by 1.2% over a year ago.

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Re: Changes in the electoral college vote

Postby Renee class of '80 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:17 am

"Might be important to remember that without the electoral college the elections would basically be determined by just a few states (the ones with the largest population and who often lean much more liberal than the nation as a whole)."

I have to disagree Kerry. The presidential vote wouldn't be won by states. Each person votes, each vote is counted. No more "blue states" or "red states" that system would be gone, and each candidate would cater to the individual voter and not the big money pacs and businesses and unions. They could not determine the winner until Hawaii weighs in. You can have a whole lot of voters in TX but if they do not go to vote, it doesn't mean much.
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Re: Changes in the electoral college vote

Postby Kerry Tobin » Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:10 pm

Renee, your example of Hawaii is exactly what I mean. Hawaii's vote would not matter, at all, in a presidential election without the electoral college. The population of Hawaii is approximately 1.42 million people. Obama won the last election by nearly 5 million votes. In 2008 he won by 9.5 million.

Take a look at http://www.citylab.com/design/2012/12/m ... rson/4273/ and tell me what say anyone in a state that isn't mostly black or California would have in a popular vote and why any candidate would ever bother to visit them. The elections would be entirely determined by the east and west coasts because that is where the population density is. The five most populated states make up over 37% of the total population.

Because every state has a say in the election with the electoral map, every state has a say, no mater how small they are. Wyoming, with a whopping 584,000 people still gets three electoral votes in the presidential election and could make an actual difference.

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Re: Changes in the electoral college vote

Postby Renee class of '80 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:28 pm

Your still not understanding my point. I would omit states votes all together. Let an individual vote count. You have a 24 hour window to cast your vote via computer using your SS number or pin. A person in Rhode Island's vote means just as much as the single vote in CA. In the end you tally up the votes per candidate, not per state. This way you could have multiple candidates per political party as well. Let the best person win, not the best party with the most super packs, union backers or the most of one party or another per state. Of course could not work for Governor's and smaller races, only a Presidential race where everyone is voting for the same thing....all ballots equal.
We have a long way to go to maintain that level of expertise on the computers from hacker's and such, but I believe is a better and more accurate way than the way it has been if someone decides the system is broken and wants to address it. I believe many people do not vote simply because it doesn't matter, it takes thousands of votes to change the electoral college vote, not just one. Absentee ballots, our soldiers who are out of the country, do not even get counted until weeks after the election has been called, so what's the point? So much voter fraud in various precincts allowing individuals to vote 2-3 times, bus loading them in, buying them subways to vote a certain way...the system is broken, and too large to fix right now. I believe that with the advancement of computers, we could get this to a more personal level where every vote does count, and gets recorded, and does mean something. You can vote from your own computer during your time using an assigned PIN number or SS,have a 24 hour window to do so, save the expense of managing and paying precincts and payroll, and less corruption because you are not all in one place voting. That's just my opinion on it.

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Re: Changes in the electoral college vote

Postby Kerry Tobin » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:16 am

And the first person that runs on a campaign of funneling ALL tax dollars to the 10 largest states, and is going to cut their taxes but raise taxes everywhere else? They'll have the votes to win if you get rid of the electoral college.

There are very good reasons the founding fathers chose that system and one of them is that it ensures each state some say in the presidential election.

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Re: Changes in the electoral college vote

Postby Renee class of '80 » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:45 am

Oh brother! lol


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