You could use more of an arguement to back up what you are saying than "yep, the ark is impossible", or "no way creation is true" "we evolved", etc... Back up what you are saying with clear concise scientific or otherwise proof of what you are saying. Aphephilia and I are the only ones giving scriptural and other types of reference for you. And I'm not saying we're better than you, so please don't read more into that statement than necessary. We have done our homework and can provide you with scriptural evidence to back up what we say. It just would be nice if you could do the same.

L2F - If you want scriptural "evidence" I could send you an anthropology text book.

I was just agreeing with things already said by other people, not making any kind of statement. I think I've been very concise in the posts where I've made my points. And like I said before, scripture cannot be used to prove the truth of itself. You can't tell me that Noah had an ark because the bible says so.

Clementine, I'm just curious, do you believe what the bible says, or just parts of it?

I basically don't hold anything in the bible as true. I'm not a Christian.

Nope, no fear here. I was born and raised Catholic, went to Catholic school through the 6th grade. I was never taught to fear God because He was some mean and cruel God, only to fear in the same way as a child would fear disappointing his/her parents. It's because of the love that we feel that causes us to be afraid of disappointing the ones we love. God loves me, I have no reason to fear Him. He shows me how much He loves me each and everyday.

"Fossils are a great embarrassment to Evolutionary theory and offer strong support for the concept of Creation." (Dr. Gary Parker, Ph.D., Biologist/paleontologist and former Evolutionist)

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- An expedition is being planned for this summer to the upper reaches of Turkey's Mount Ararat where organizers hope to prove an object nestled amid the snow and ice is Noah's Ark."

Baby, I think the flood was worldwide, because the Lord opened the fountains of the earth and the firmament in the skies. This would be alot of water. I think when God tells us in His Word that there was a flood that covered the earth, He kind of meant that. The best thing is though, that jcg and clementine didn't live back then and still have an opportunity to have their eyes opened.
I guess I was fortunate to come into my faith in Christ as one of love and not fear. I know of His promise for me, but I love Him now for the Grace He shows me in my relationship with Him. For me, I guess, it's not a thing of Heaven or Sheol - but of a daily walk with God that supercedes all else.
Why I'm interested in the Carbon Dating, is it has proven to be the best resource against evolution. I just love when scientists do this kind of stuff!!
I also found out that the bat wing doors being lower in the ghost towns, it was because of all the dust, couldn't see in as well, and stray bullets flying around that they were made shorter. Much like the doors in the older sections of England being shorter because of the dampness and colder climate. But, I think it was the doors that made the ghost towns anyway!! Who wants to keep hitting their head on a door frame all the time!?!

Yikes! The religious propaganda is so thick in here I can hardly see. Trying to have factual discourse with religious people is a tad like repeatedly smacking oneself in the forehead with a ballpeen hammer. I can't imagine how many hours people have toiled in order to warp good science into a religious mold.

Yesterday, a coworker of mine told me the world is only 25,000 years old! Who knew!! He says the bible proves it too. I was so flabbergasted I couldn't even respond.

BTW baby, Pangea predates our species by approx 250 million years, unless of course you believe the earth is only 25000 years old.

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My previous post didn't get on here. Sorry about that! In response to the question/statement "are we still evolving?" the answer is yes. It takes thousands of years in order to see the result of genetic mutation or drift and this is for a single trait.
I have another response in regards to a statement posted earlier. Egypt may have been the first "civilization" but keep in mind that by definition civilization is “an advanced state of development in human society, marked by progress in the arts and sciences, the extensive use of writing, and complex political and social institutions.” It goes without saying that there existed (and still exist) populations that do not qualify as a "civilizations". This presupposes that the population is sedentary (fixed in one location). In opposition to this you have familial groups of people who are pastoralists, hunter-gatherers, or nomadic. Many of these bands and tribes relied on oral traditions rather than a written form of communication.
I don't wish to get into everyone's religion vs. science debate. I am merely pointing out that neither side is "the truth" (to assume something as the truth, its principles would have to be proven as fact), both side have their inconsistencies and are fallible, and individuals accept either on faith.