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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby tinman » Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:42 am

Cmoo, that's a big jump to try to label me as someone who agreed or sympathized with the murderers of 9/11. In fact, it's not even worth responding to.
I think I made it clear when I said I can understand why people in other countries think we're immoral. If all they see is something like Janet Jackson bearing her breast on national TV, Madonna and Britney Spears making out onstage along with some of the other crap that is shown on TV. And the saddest thing is, we've come to accept it. It's now called freedom of speech. And what's really absurd is that people don't find it at all disturbing, but yet there is a big uproar over the new movie Mel Gibson made called The Passion of the Christ. What has happened to us as a society when we can show so much vulgarity on TV, but people are offended by a movie that shows the love of God for His people?

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby cmoo » Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:09 am

Deb -

My posts don't contradict each other. NOWHERE in that quote does it say that I WANT my daughters to bear their breasts for money. I would hope that they would never do that. IF they did however I would still stand by them. My daughters are both in college BTW so that decision would be theirs. And yes I hope that my daughters are successful in whatever they do.

What exactly is your point?

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Youre right that was harsh. My point is that "morality" is subjective. I don't agree with your collective assessment of Americans and I don't sympathize with those that despise us on moral grounds. I see Americans collectively as the most caring, decent group of people on the planet. Janets boob didn't change that.

How do you feel about Bush conquering a defenseless (and apparently offenseless) country? Do you think we made any enemies there?
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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby JFlosum » Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:13 pm

>>they did however I would still stand by them. <<

Sorry, but that is tacit approval if you ask me.

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby cmoo » Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:20 pm

Flosum -

Actually my original post says (and I haven't edited it):

I guess I would still be very proud and supportive of them.
We could quibble about the difference between "support" and "approval" but that would be very Clintonesque of us dont you think? :D
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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby jimbo71 » Wed Feb 04, 2004 5:55 pm

CMOO! interesting comment. Do you think parents should support their kids whether they do right or wrong?

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby ski_lover » Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:29 pm

Wow!! What a malestrom over the Super Bowl haltime show. There are so many people demanding accountability from the powers to be about Janet Jackson displaying her "weapon of mass distraction" it's amazing. Makes me wonder why there isn't the same sense of disgust over our involvement in Iraq. I guess it's all about perspective and what's important to us as a nation.

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby Deb Richardson » Wed Feb 04, 2004 9:13 pm

Let's reread cmoo's past post and see if we find any contradictions.

Personally, I thought it was the most entertaining Superbowl halftime ever. Kid Rock was
actually singing live (which I think is a first) and the Janet thing was over the top. I think by
definition she wasn't technically nude due to the silver star shaped apparatus she had on
covering her breast. This star shaped thingy throws serious doubt on the claims that the
incident was an "malfunction" unless Janet wears these large metallic pasties 24X7. Who
knows, she's a Jackson and we all know how eccentric they are right?

For the record, I am not a supporter of censorship, and I think most of us Americans are
way over sensitive to nudity. HOWEVER even I think the Janet thing was inappropriate.
The Superbowl is billed as a family show and there were no doubt hundreds of thousands
of kids watching.

You can almost smell them lawsuits a cookin'..
Too me your statement about Janet being over the top means her performance was great, in your opinion, yet in the second paragraph you say what she did wasn't appropriate. To me you can't have it both ways an "over the top" performance and an not appropriate preformance. Yes, we can be supportive of our children, no matter what age, however by showing support for acts that may not be appropriate, like bearing a breast on family television, we would be condoning that behavior. My point would be you can't have it both ways.

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby Brian » Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:23 am

I see no contradiction here. The way I read it cmoo enjoyed the halftime entertainment on its own merits but feels that, while enjoyable,the performance was inappropriate within that setting.

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby JFlosum » Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:10 am

Still tacit approval, IMHO.

Do you think they should be fined, as being discussed, and held responsible for their actions? If it were your daughter, would you agree she should be held responsible for her actions and fined or barred form Grammy’s? (That too was talked bout but they decided against it but plan on going with a delayed broadcast.)

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby cmoo » Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:19 am

Thanks Brian.

For the record: I have never, nor will I ever encourage my daughters to disrobe in public for any reason. I will do my best to avoid any tacit or explicit approval of said activities. In addition, I do not approve of, nor will I encourage the commission of any illegal activities by my daughters or anyone else living or dead, on this planet, or any other planet, in any galaxy, on/in/between any known or hereto for unknown dimensional spaces. My daughters are adults however, so if they did engage in any such legal activities I would still do my best to love and support them. Oh yeah, and I hope they are successful in whatever they do subject to the terms outlined above.

Whew. Back to Janet's boob..

Janets camp claims that they intended to expose a red bra under her costume. Did Janet forget to put it on? What? Could it have been a maternity bra with removable cups? Sounds to me like the whole thing was Janets idea and that Justin was the unfortunate accomplice. The other possibility is that there was another accomplice on the grassy knoll. Now that a govenment agency is investigating this event we may never know the truth.

Flosum - Yeah sure, throw the book at Janet. The results still aren't in on Justin.
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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby JFlosum » Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:44 am

Assuming a bit aren’t you? Where did I say throw the book at anyone? Most of the discussion is centered on her for what is the obvious reason; it was her boob.

I didn’t say I agreed or not with her being punished. I asked the question based on the media speculation.

I have a call into the FCC chief, Powell, and offered my services to run a full, hands on investigation. Have not heard back so far. Maybe he has decided to handle the investigation himself!! :)

The irony or sarcasm in my first post above was obviously lost on you. I think they are making a mountain out of a molehill (pun intended). Although I don’t approve of the action; I hardly think this is a big deal. :D :D

Go watch any cable and a lot of late night network and there is everything but full blown porno on any given station. Actuall HBO does have porno... But one boob incident at the Super Bowl and we get all this righteous indignation. Give me a break!!!!!

The whole thing to me is laughable. These morons, a.k.a. professional athletes/entertainers, on any given day are dealing drugs, beating, raping and what ever…. But we are getting upset about one lose boob???

It’s like the UN sending James Brown on some goodwill trip. But first they had to get him out of jail for beating his girl friend. Ms. Jackson and her accomplice will make nothing but money off this. Anyone that does not at least suspect it was all planned would be nearly as ignorant as Mr.(Jessie) Jackson thinks most of us are.

What a joke! :roll:

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby ski_lover » Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:49 pm

JFlo is a self proclaimed jerk but has pretty much got this subject nailed. While most of us don't agree with what transpired is there anyone out there that really believes this act by itself is going to ruin our society? We're way past that stage, folks.

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby cmoo » Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:59 pm

Do you think they should be fined, as being discussed, and held responsible for their actions? If it were your daughter, would you agree she should be held responsible for her actions and fined or barred form Grammy’s? (That too was talked bout but they decided against it but plan on going with a delayed broadcast.)
You lost me Flosum. If the above questions were directed at me, my answers where yes, and yes.
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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby JFlosum » Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:06 pm

Jackson taken off Grammy lists http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13381190

Hadn't seen this news when I posted the above.

The question, cmoo, was not directed to anyone, but I appreciate your answers.

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby KEN » Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:37 pm

They should have just told the performers that were in the pre-game show to stick around and do the half-time show!
Beyonce,Wille Nelson,Josh Groban,and Toby Keith did a great job in the pre-game show. The NFL and CBS could saved alot of money ,and grief ,by having them at half-time too!

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby Deb Richardson » Fri Feb 06, 2004 8:10 am

As originally posted by baby

I couldn't figure what it was about the Superbowl thing that bothered me. Wasn't really
the nudity. I used to watch MTV and every other Madonna or heavy metal video had
something like that. Then I realized it was the depiction of a guy tearing a woman's
clothing. That may seem harmless, but I'll say from the standpoint of someone who was
assaulted that whether the guy is even able to do what he intended or not is not the
issue.
I did not see this as it happened, however have seen replays in slow motion. I have to agree with you baby, the depiction of a man tearing clothing from a woman is troublesome and degrading. There are too many woman in this country that are being victimized in this manner everyday, that using that type of imagery is sad. I guess I feel some pity for Janet Jackson feeling the need to pimp herself in that manner.
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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby JFlosum » Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:26 am

News Flash!

Janet’s back in the Grammys…No she’s out… wait the latest is she is in… Hold on now she is……

Awww h*** who cares!!!???!!!!
:D :D :D

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby cmoo » Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:26 am

Dopey - I know this is a G-rated forum so I will try to be sensitive. Ahem. I've tried to undo a few bras in my time (just for scientific purposes mind you) and they don't come off that easily. Perhaps Justin hypnotized Janet into replacing her red bra with an ornate nipple ring prior to the show in her dressing room. That would lend credence to your anti-Jackson/women/black conspiracy theory.
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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby tinman » Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:31 pm

Dopey, I agree with you...Justin Timberlake was just as responsible as Janet Jackson in this whole mess. As I understand it, they were both barred from the Grammy's unless they were willing to go on camera at the Grammy's and apologize, which he agreed to do and she did not. That was the last report I read on it.

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby JFlosum » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:51 pm

>Timberlake says it was a wardrobe malfunction and I believe him-<

Yes and right you should!! The poor misunderstood boy.

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby NurseNell » Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:29 pm

>>>Timberlake says it was a wardrobe malfunction and I believe him- <<<

You're kidding, right Dopey? If you are not kidding I think you are the only one who believes him.
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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby tinman » Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:07 pm

Dopey, as for the look of shock on Janet Jackson's face, I believe that's called acting. Much like what her brother Michael did when he said in his falsetto voice, "I would rather slit my wrists than hurt a child." If you ask me, that whole family is in need of some major help.

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby Merse » Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:32 pm

....anyone remember WHAT NFL Teams Played in this Superbowl??!!! :D

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Re: Super Bowl Half Time

Postby KEN » Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:16 pm

I think it was the
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