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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:06 pm 
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How far North do you have to go to get away from the noisy fireworks now? Canada?
I can't believe that from Nelson's store to the Hwy 8 rest area there were 4-5 firework stands. Who in the **** is getting huge kickbacks from the "legal sales of fireworks" but not legal to blow off?? Say what? Not legal to fire off but legal to sale? Please tell me as I would like to make some extra cash too.
And as long as I am complaining.... Why are we seeing more and more night lights on the rivers and lakes here? Some people have never heard of of MOTION DETECTORS? Beside kissing the quiet goodbye, you now can kiss the starry sky goodbye too. Yep, you will have to go to Canada.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:42 pm 
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the fireworks thing did mystify me....not just the abundance of fireworks sales stands, and the whole legal thing...but....im 20 years old and almost always get carded for lottery tickets.....but the fireworks stand i stopped at didnt hesitate to sell me enough pyrotechnics to remove a few hands and poke out a few eyes.

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I don't like all the fireworks either, but I see no problem with people being able to purchase and use them if that is what they want to do. Those who oppose the sale and/or use are just another group of those trying to protect us from ourselves and impose their will on everyone else. As far as the lights on the shore, I guess it is the same story. One person does not enjoy the view so the owner of the property has to fumble around in the dark. Some folks should probably move to Canada. The Socialists up there do a pretty good job of protecting the people from doing what they want to and are also pretty good at keeping the lights out. Bus tickets are available, I am sure.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:33 am 
I thought those 4-5 fireworks stands were up every year! This isn't a new thing.


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With the gas prices the way they are and climing everyday you better hope for Tomahawk's sake that it becomes a place where you can again hear the animals making noise at night instead of the gun power. With these prices why leave a noisy city to go to another noisy city??
Ahhh, the right person has to get his hand blown off huh? Then someone will step up to the plate and say "maybe the sale of these damgerous things should be controlled as our children are getting hurt" Sit back and wait I guess.


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"Fumble around in the dark"? Motion detector lights are today being sold EVERYWHERE. Give me a break. It is like someone with a super loud stereo and forcing others to listen to his music. Or you may call it noise.


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A person's individual rights only extend to the point where they begin to negatively impact someone else. This applies to noise, gunfire, manure, or whatever. I can't imagine when championing the freedom from other's rudeness and inconsiderateness became "socialist".

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Fresh off an 8 day stay in the Boundary Waters Wilderness, I'd say the loss of the "Northwoods" feeling is due more to the jet skis and over-sized power boats than a night or two of fireworks. It was the jet ski traffic on Deer Lake that chased us away from Tomahawk.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:37 pm 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by antioch:
I heard that too much jet-skiing and power boating in a single area can wreck the fishing prospects.[/QB][/QUOTE

Of course.

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I don't like the idea of children playing with fireworks anymore than anyone else, but it is the parents responsibility, not the government, to see that this does not happen. As far as the lights on the other side of the lake, I can see several from my lakeside windows right now, and I do not find them offensive in any way. I gather that some on this board would like to restrict the rights of the property owners based on their own opinions of what is proper. I suggest that if you don't like the light being on you should buy the place and turn it off. There are far too many restrictions on property use now and we do not need any more. I, for one, did not work all those years so that I could afford to buy this place and then have a bunch of liberals and socialists tell me how to live on it. And I also run a boat around the lake once in awhile without even trying to catch a fish. I do have to dodge the jet ski folks once in awhile, but I figure they have a right to be here too.


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I gather that some on this board would like to restrict the rights of the property owners based on their own opinions of what is proper... There are far too many restrictions on property use now and we do not need any more.
I agree with these two sentiments. The government is already dictating to business property owners what can or cannot be allowed within thier business establishments based on "opinion of what is proper", ie: smoking.


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I don't like all the fireworks either, but I see no problem with people being able to purchase and use them if that is what they want to do. Those who oppose the sale and/or use are just another group of those trying to protect us from ourselves and impose their will on everyone else.b
I have no interest in protecting you from yourself but unrestricted sale/use of explosives to anyone plays right into the hands of terrorists. I am no friend of terrorists.
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I, for one, did not work all those years so that I could afford to buy this place and then have a bunch of liberals and socialists tell me how to live on it.
How do you know that some of them aren't neo-conservative fascists?

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I have always found that it is the liberal philosophy that maximizes liberties and the other side of the spectrum that issues mandates and prohibitions. If you are out of reading this summer, I suggest some John Stewart Mills and what the **** some John Rawls.

As for children and fireworks I feel they should be allowed to use rockets, blasting caps, dynamite or whatever. Why did sniffing gasoline fumes while smoking go out of fashion? Also if their parents would only allow them to chain smoke they would always have a light handy. I suggest doing this in the basement of the home so it will not offend those prone to the virtue of silence.

Ordinarily I object to the death penalty but now that the topic of jetskis has come up I admit that I might agree to a compromise and allow it if it applied to jetski users. Now I remember why I gave up fishing, scuba diving, and water sports in general.

**** I ran out of sarcasm - (only kidding).

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:14 pm 
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So it's ok for you & the rest of the natives to churn up the lakes & dump crap? You'll only get ****ed when it's the tourists doing the dirty deed? As we became disillusioned with the Nokomis/Deer Lake area we saw the property owners treating the lakes no better than the tourists.

Fifteen years ago we found what we were looking for and considered to be the "Northwoods" in the Tomahawk area. About seven years ago things started to change. My family's "Northwoods" doesn't include jet skis or overpowered motor boats on tiny lakes. It's watching a pair of mink hunting a shoreline as we watch from our canoe. It's seeing beaver swim by with a freshly cut branch. It's hearing the loons calling to each other without hearing distress calls. Fireworks for a day or two are a minor distraction compared to the effects of jet skis & overpowered boats. (Is a 125 hp boat really needed on a 300 acre lake?)

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:51 pm 
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Then you're lucky. We saw abuses from the "home crowd" & the tourists. It doesn't matter who did it, the noise & litter are what prompted us to leave the Tomahawk area as our annual vacation destination after about 10 years spent between Nokomis & Deer Lakes.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:24 pm 
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Jeff, you are absolulely right. It's not just the tourists that are churning up the lakes in the Tomahawk northwoods. Or any northern Wisconsin vacation area. The Tomahawk area is not the northwoods of my youth, some 5-10 years ago!?!?! Visiting my grandparents on Somo Lake back in the 60's was way different than it is today. I still love Tomahawk and the northwoods and miss it everyday. The problem is that our society isn't satisfied with simple entertainment. A camp fire and silly games to me make for a great evening of entertainment. Of course it helps to have a loon calling or whip-poor-wills whippoorwillowing in the background. Most of us live much too fast paced lives, I don't understand the fastness needed of jet skis and the like for relaxation. This is all about likes and dislikes and the gift of choice God has given us. It would be a pretty boring world if we all had the same interests. However, to me it would be a better world if our interest were a little more simple and quiet!

I must add that while rafting this past weekend on the Wolf River we encountered many out of state rafters. The parking lot at the outfitter we used was probably 60% Illinois. It seems that many of these out-of-staters think that the no disposable rule on the river doesn't apply to them. It's very dishearting to see beer cans and water bottles flying from rafts as they go over the rapids or just being chucked into the water when finished. Paying to play gives these folks the attitude that they have the right to be litterbugs. After all what would the good folks of Wisconsin do without their money. Granted we need their tourism dollars but not their trash. I guess it's become a lose/lose situation until we embrace the lakes, rivers, and woods that God created for us and treat them as He intended.

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Once again we get the empty lecture and reading list regarding classical liberalism put to us in such a way that we are supposed to assume that it is in some way characteristic of modern American liberalism. Nothing could be further from both truth and reality. The classical liberal pillars of property, freedom, and peace are of little importance to modern liberals as characterized by the ACLU. Although Mill was a staunch supporter of birth/population control, I think his alignment with modern leftists would probably stop at about that point. Given the philosophy of modern liberals, I doubt if Mill or any of the other classical liberals would want to hold on to the title. Classical liberals were all but violently opposed to big government, government interference with the rights of property owners, and any restriction on individual freedoms. They considered socialism and socialists their philosophical enemies and actively derided both. Modern American liberalism has about as much in common with the kind of classical liberalism mentioned in a previous post on this thread as the poster has with his arboreal hairy ancestors. For those less into the level of scholarship shown by Mr. Mill I would offer that you can call it a duck, but if it does not quack, walk, swim, or s*** like one it probably is not.


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Someone missed the point I was trying to make. Loud noise.....No Loons, animals howling. Bright lights..... No stars to be seen by the campfire. Where did being liberal have anything to do with what I said? Sounds like a professional student reply.


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Sounds 'off topic' and plagiarized to me. ;)

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I think Dave might be the pilot of an 150 hp Donzi on small area lakes or the inlaw that Abraham abhors!

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I thought for a while that Dave might have been arrested but it apparently was someone else who thought his right to do whatever he wanted exceeded his neighbor's rights.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/jul05/341798.asp

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