!!!! AMEN !!! AMEN!!!!Originally posted by abnerman:
I picked up on a GREAT example that was overlooked earlier in this thread.
But first.. I am a smoker. I am sympathetic to the concerns of non-smokers in general, and I make a special effort not to subject non-smokers to my bad habit. That being said, I disagree with the fact that "Each Individual Business Owner does not have the right to choose whether they allow something that is LEGAL.. or not."
The example that I wanted to bring up, was the "Exotic Dancer" establishments..
Let's all be honest and realistic about this. These bars cater towards certain people, and they allow certain things that not everyone agrees with, or enjoys.. Fortunately, these people just plain DON'T HAVE TO GO THERE if they don't like it.
If they want to just go out and have some beverages without being "exposed" to something they don't like, there are plenty of bars/clubs to choose from. They have other options.
If you don't like it, just. don't. go. there.
As much as non-smokers want to bring in the "health" aspects (which I completely agree with in a practical sense), that simply ISN'T the argument here. Just about everyone is in agreement that it's a bad habit, and that it's not healthy.
This isn't about that, it's about the personal choice of the individual business owner to run their establishment as they see fit within the boundaries of the law, and the choice of each consumer to go to an establishment that conforms to their criteria.
People are saying that they 'don't like' going somewhere that they "want to GO". Then... don't GO THERE. (Is it really that hard to come to that conclusion?)
It's honestly as silly as an individual who demands that a bar/strip-club stop allowing women to strip, because they would like to go there to have a dew drinks... and they don't like the women "disrobing".
How many died alcohol related deaths?Originally posted by healthy1:
"In 2001 the government’s net gain from the tobacco industry was $146 million."
I don think that the $146 Million come Close to the 2.16 Billion
The health and economic toll of cigarette smoking continues to be significant in Wisconsin. Over 8,000 people died in the past year from smoking: 7,215 died from directly related causes and 853 died from illness and fires indirectly related to smoking. With nearly 16 percent of all annual deaths in Wisconsin directly attributable to cigarette smoking, and $2.16 billion paid in direct health care costs, most Wisconsin residents are or will be affected by cigarette smoking at some point.
Yeah, I know, I have 3 primary cancers. Never smoked a day in my life.Don't drink alcohol either. I will likely die from my malignant melanoma in my eye, if my lung disease doesn't kill me first. I am having to retire early because of my medical problems.Originally posted by aphephilia:
No one forces anyone to be in an environment where people smoke. People CHOOSE to go to those restaurants, bars, etc. They don't have to go where there is smoke, they can go somewhere else. .......
As far as cancer goes, anyone can get cancer. You don't have to smoke at all or have ever been exposed to second hand smoke to get cancer.
Thank you for the prayers.Originally posted by aphephilia:
And unlike you Nell, I DO happen to care about your health and I will keep you in my prayers.
I should be free to have a totally smoke free establishment or a totally smoke filled establishment, why? because it's MY establishment and I live in the USA!
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