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What's going on? I saw a newscast on CNN about a run on ammunition and it's increasing unavailability. They said it would be, when available, doubling in price and eventually quadrupiling. Then even going on to say eventually you will have to sign for it and possibly be limited to one box per year with an explanation as to what you used the previous box for. So being an owner of a handgun I thought it would be prudent to pick up a couple of boxes for my caliber. Well I went to Walmart and the clerk just laughed at me and said good luck. He said every now and then they'd get just a few boxes in and they were always gone within the first half hour on the shelf. He said the warehouses were empty. I went to Fleet Farm and heard the exact same story--warehouses empty. Then I went to Cimino's Gun and Archery in Merrill--same story. I finally went to a tiny little gun repair shop this guy runs in his house and he had 2 boxes dated 1983 and 1997. I bought them both. I suppose if the government is having a hard time getting rid of guns, they won't be much good without ammunition. I'm thinking that when it comes to signing for ammo there would be a record of you owning that caliber gun. Then if the USA were going to collect guns like they did in Australia and Britain they'd no where to go and at that point you couldn't tell them that you sold it or lost it years ago because then what you be buying the ammo for. This hints to George Orwell's "1984" and Big Brother working at it's finest. Any comments or insights ???


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Oh, ya, you had to know this was coming when Obama was elected. And this is only the beginning.

LAWMAKERS SEEK NEW GUN LEGISLATION: AMMO CONTROL LAWS

http://revolutionradio.org/2009/01/27/lawmakers-seek-new-gun-legislation-ammo-control-laws/


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Obama and Democrats are also looking to bail out Minority-owned radio stations.

Keep in mind that bail-out means the same as ownership and/or control as they did with GM and Chrysler.

Gon control, media control... hmmmm... remind you of anything particular in history?

Democrats seek financial rescue of minority-owned broadcasters

http://thehill.com/business--lobby/demo ... 05-19.html


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Floyd, thank you for that link to that sight, Revelutionradio.org I've never seen that sight before but it surely backs up my own thoughts about what is going on with the ammo control. I didn't know there was already proposed legislation on the "new age control". The link is so very interesting and totally pathetic at the same time. Pathetic meaning, what kind of country is this turning to be? I don't know how many remember the Helen Kunz home invasion massacre that happened years back. Living in the country like we do it would be a shame not being able to protect yourself in that case. If someone forced there way into my home out in nowhere land, you can bet only one or two may be shot because the intruders would be catching some of my lead. The saying goes, " A Gun in Hand is much better than a cop on the phone!" The time to buy ammo is now, actually yesterday. I truly hope it's not to late to get some more before the coding of each shell.


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I just did a quick Google search on "mail order gun ammo" and there are lots of ammo distributors with web sites. So even though you might not be able to purchase locally you can still order is via the web....at least for now!!!

Also, I find it hard to believe that the NRA would let such 'ammo' legislation be passed without a very loud and large stink...at least I hope so.

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From what I have heard, the biggest problem in buying ammunition is that every one is stocking up because of the concern over what might happen in the next four years. Apparently the manufacturers can't keep up and that is causing the shortages. And of course when there is demand the price is going to go up. Guess gun owners aren't taking any chances and want to be sure that they are prepared.

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Oh, you can bet... it is coming... the biggest assault against gun ownership in the history of this country. Not only will there be direct attacks but there will be many end around attempts like controlling ammunition and seeing to it that it made very limited and very expensive.

Read the story below.

DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers

http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-ends-sale-of-expended-military.html

Seems interesting that China is one of the largest buyers of scrap metals from the US. Think about that for minute.


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Wisconsin: Micro-Stamping Legislation and Castle Doctrine to be Heard Thursday, May 28!

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=4890

PLEASE start making phone calls...


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Wow, tonights news on channel 7 blew my socks off. Now the latest word on the ammo thing is Obama wants to put an extra tax on ammo. Get this $1.00 per shell. A box of 38's or 357's costs about $18.00, there are 50 shells per box so that would be a whopping $50.00 in tax per box. Then the $18 dollar box would be $68 dollars. Mama Mia!!!
McCain would have been a much better choice. Even Bush was at least a Texas rancher with guns and rifles. However, "No one died when Clinton lied". Back to the point. how about them bullets?


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Oh, gee, that's funny. It was all fine and dandy when they were outlawing cigarettes. I hate smoking, but this is the very reason that I was dead set against the smoking ban. I hope all of you that were in support of the smoking ban are proud of yourselves. Redeem yourselves and start writing your congressmen NOW. What did you think would happen.

First the government starts with something small that they have lots of support behind. Then, the next thing you know...

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Asterix, I do know that you are bringing up the smoking ban as a parallel, which is fine, but I sure hope this thread doesn't get off topic and head towards the smoking ban again. Remember what a frustrating, never ending thread that was. Hopefully we can keep this on topic and discuss this ammo assault.


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Micro-stamping, another one of those end-around plays to get guns out. You can fight it but you need to know that until you change the politicians, you are whizzing in the wind.

You can't have it both ways, a liberal controlled government and the right to bear arms. Taking that right away form you is something the liberals live and breath for.

People way over reacted to the Bush administration. Even if Bush was twice as bad as some suggests, the answer was not to turn both the congress and the presidency over to the most liberal, socialist minded government in the history of the country.

People want to punish the Republican Party. In so doing they are going to find out the hard way that they voted away a lot more of their rights then the cheap price of ammo.

We are much better off when control of the congress is form one party and the president form the other.


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Mid term elections will be coming up in a year or so, that is the chance to change the status Quo.

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Is the NRA doing anything about this? Who should we be calling or writing to? Who should we be voteing for?

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I can't tell you to vote for but I don't think you should vote for any bleeding heart liberal. Back in the sixties and early seventies they were called yellow fascists. Us old woodstock hippies that were rallying against the war, you know, make love not war always were wary of the "red fascists" who were the capitolists. Then all of a sudden about 1975 the rock was turned and whoops, you were the other side. Now the liberals (yellow fascists) are stripping away all of our rights. As far as who to call, look back a few posts and check out the one from Lucinda. There is a link there she offered that will tell you the nuts and bolts of Assembly Bill AB 221 about the micro-stamping and AB 193 which has to do withe Castle Doctrine. That 193 Castle Doctrine is more frightening than the whole ammo thing and Bill 221. On that link there are all of the people you need to call and their phone numbers. Locally we have Assemblyman Don Frick at the Merrill Car Quest that he owns. It would be interesting to hear his thoughts on the two Bills.


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For nearly 40 years I have been getting calls from the NRA at campaign time screaming "They are going to take your guns, they will really do it this time!!!!!" The same with the rest of the paranoic babbling the comes out of the NRA. They are just a front group that manipulates hunters and gun owners to accomplish there far right political agenda. They of course are heavily backed by the main beneficiaries of these scare tactic: The gun and ammunition manufacturers.

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They are just a front group that manipulates hunters and gun owners to accomplish there far right political agenda.


"Far right" is certainly not the first thing that comes to my mind in describing the writers of the constitution.

mystic, it is not my intentions to pick a fight with you but if you are against guns you should just come right out and say so. Not just attack the people you disagree with.

This right wing political agenda you seem to be opposed to is the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. It was put right there under the 1st Amendment, freedom of speech to serve notice to those that would try to deny us our freedom of speech rights, that there would be dire consequences to be paid.

You seem to be enjoying your 1st Amendment rights by posting a rather bombastic attack on the NRA. I would think that you would be more respectful of people that are trying to insure those rights are not taken away form you.


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They of course are heavily backed by the main beneficiaries of these scare tactic: The gun and ammunition manufacturers.


Well duh!!

And beer makes support pro beet issues, and cat lovers promote pro cat issues and square dancers promote square dancing.

There are nearly 4 million members of the NRA. I don't think they are all gun and ammo makers. In fact with as few gun and ammo manufacturers that there are I would guess that the majority of their funding probably comes from retailers and private memberships from all walks of life.

I would also guess that it would be hard to have 4 million members of any organization in this country that did not include several liberals amongst the membership.


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The original intention of the section of the 2nd amendment pertaining the right to bear arms referred to those that constitued the militia.

Over 30, 000 Americans lose all their rights every year. Why? Gunshot.

By the way the NRA pads its membership with an array of "family" memberships in which all members of the household are counted, etc. which more honest groups avoid.

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Considering the people made up the military, the same people that threw out the Brits, don't you think the writers who didn't trust government and wanted to make it easy to displace the government when it oversteps its bounds wanted the people to be able to protect themselves?

The whole document isn't really the rights given to you by the government. They're the rights the government isn't supposed to be allowed to take away!

Also, they already are tapping phones without warrants (and won't talk about it, state secret) just how many freedoms are you willing to hand over? It's just a piece of paper if people aren't willing to stand behind it and able to defend it.


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The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not be Infringed

That is part of the 2nd amendment is case you forgot to read the whole thing !

And the people means all of us !

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The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not be Infringed

That is part of the 2nd amendment is case you forgot to read the whole thing !

And the people means all of us !


Does that include domestic terrorists that bring their gun to church and murder doctors?


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Sagan,

You can't ban stupid or insane. Is it any better if they walk in with pipe bombs or gasoline and a match? The nuts can always find a method to cause destruction.

Also, just because one person isn't capable of controlling themselves we have to ban everyone from it? Based on that reasoning all fast food must be banned (some people aren't smart enough to eat a reasonable amount). Also, all alcohol, some don't know when to stop or not drive. All sharp objects and anything flammable or explosive must also go. In addition, marriage, relationships and all human interaction should be prevented because it leads to fights and potentially murder.

I'm much more concerned about the long term affects of things our government will do than the small chance some nut is going to shoot me (despite all the smart aleck comments I make).


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Good thing he didn't use a baseball bat. There would be a lot of empty stadiums sitting around the country with the players wondering how to play the game with out a bat. :roll:

Until he committed a crime he had all the rights of everyone else. The crime is the problem not what he used to commit it.

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Not all that many terrorist use good old fashion guns. Why would they when they can use bombs or fly planes into high rises. And of course those things are already outlawed. Don't seem to be working so well either.

But besides that, you are only making my point. Do you really think a terrorist is going to be lacking the ability to find an illegal gun? I fail to see how gun control keeps a terrorist (or any criminal) from getting and using a gun. But I can dang well see how he would be some what cautious on how he uses it knowing that a whole lot of us are going to be shooting back!

Many scholars today still say that the reason we are not speaking Japanese today is because the huge number of gun owners in the US was a deterrent to the Japanese landing troops on the US soil.

Just think about that for a minute. You are sitting around plotting an attack on the US. You know that sooner or later you were going to have to invade with troops and fight a ground war like what is going on over in Iraq. How would you like to face the prospect of nearly every single mother's son and daughter is already armed or is within in a few minutes of an extra gun and can get armed in the drop of a hat?

Now factor in all these radical militias that none of us really openly support. But these guys them selves would be enough of a force to hold off an small army.

I think it is more then interesting that the same people that support gun control also support open borders. Neither are very good ideas but the combination would lead to total disaster.


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OK, I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment, here.

Does anyone, here, think it should be OK for someone to offer aerosol cans of VX nerve agent, on the open market?

Does anyone, here, think that spent nuclear fuel - the basic ingredient of a "dirty bomb" - should be legal to be marketed openly?

Or, how about it being legal to run around with a fully functional, heavy-barreled .50 caliber machine gun, mounted in the back of your 4x4, like they do in places like Somalia?

Yes, these scenarios sound a bit fantastic, but..........humor me. Is there anyone, here, who would think any of them would be acceptable?


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