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 Post subject: Gun Control
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:48 pm 
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Hey Old Scout, what was the topic name that you posted a list of sayings or slogans about gun control? One of them was, "If guns kill people, then pencils mispell words". Or, could you repeat that list. Many thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:53 am 
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Quick Refresher Course

For those who forget what freedom means !

a. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
b. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
c. Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface.
d. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.
e. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?
f. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
g. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
h. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.
i. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
j. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.
k. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand.
l. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.
m. 64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday.
n. Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians.
o. Know guns,Know peace and safety. No guns,no peace nor safety.
p. You don't shoot to kill; You shoot to stay alive.
q. 911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer.
r. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
s. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer.
t. If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson.
u. Only a government that is afraid of it's citizens tries to control them.
v. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.
w. Enforce the "gun control laws" in place, don't make more.
x. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.
y. The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control.
z. "....a government by the people, for the people....."

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:58 am 
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Catfish, Here is another one that you might enjoy.

(A) The number of doctors in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.17143

Statistics: courtesy of the U.S. Dept of Health & Human Services

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Guns:

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000 (yes! that's 80 million).
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.00001875.

Statistics: courtesy of the FBI

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So statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

WARNING: guns don't kill people, doctors do.

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FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

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Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.
We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!

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Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention...

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<small>[ January 16, 2006, 10:04 AM: Message edited by: Old Scout ]</small>

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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Thank You Old Scout, I needed that.


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:19 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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Jeff, every time you do that "tilt" thing it makes me laugh. You know with this message board, all you have are names with no faces to go with them. So you have to imagine, or more like you get this image of a person. So when you do the "tilt", I see this guy standing there with this look of bewilderment on his face, like he doesn't know what the heck is going on. You portray a very funny look there. Tilt.


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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From the Marshfield News-Herald:

Posted January 18, 2006

Gun lobby endangers population with junk science promoting concealed weapons

Editor: It is now crystal clear that the Wisconsin gun lobby has been using junk science to promote concealed weapons. Here's an example of how this intellectual fraud developed:

First, start with the legitimate findings of the National Academy of Sciences. This group sets the gold standard for scientific integrity in America. They carefully analyzed all research related to concealed weapons and concluded their final report (Firearms & Violence, 2005) by saying, "....the committee concludes that with the current evidence it is not possible to determine that there is a causal link between the passage of right-to-carry laws and crime rates."

Next, observe the National Rifle Association's deception. Instead of candidly informing their members of the hugely important National Academy of Sciences study they ignore it and substitute bogus statistics that strongly imply causation between concealed weapons and crime reduction. This is from their Right-to-Carry 2005 fact sheet, "Right-to-carry states have lower violent crime rates, on average: 24 percent lower total violent crime, 22 percent lower murder, 37 percent lower robbery, and 20 percent lower aggravated assault." This is blatantly misleading. They are counting on the public not understanding the difference between correlation and causation.

Finally, watch the total shredding of scientific truth by our own Republicans here in Wisconsin. This is what Senator Dave Zien (R-Wheaton) and Assemblyman Scott Gunderson (R-Waterford), co-authors of the concealed carry bill, have to say, "The statistics have shown that concealed carry laws have worked effectively to help lower violent crime rates by an average of 24 percent." (http://www.wisconsinconcealedcarry.com). As you can see, Zien and Gunderson are not content to merely imply causation as the NRA does. They take falsification to a new level by stating categorically that concealed carry laws actually lower crime rates.

And that's how the gun lobby corrupts science and endangers us all.

JOHN SEE, Ph.D.
Professor Emeritus,
UW-Stout Menomonie

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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So the information above tells me what? That of the 28,000 deaths per year from firearms that we should only count 1,500 as human beings?

How many drive-by knifings have you heard of lately?

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
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Catfish,
Add to your visual image, a beer in my right hand.

Then realize that I use the word "tilt" as an editorial comment to support views I consider to be inherently obvious or obviously ridiculous.

<small>[ January 19, 2006, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: Jeff Boettcher ]</small>

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